tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-45329237096941460.post6599724061793321715..comments2023-10-31T09:18:21.793-07:00Comments on Why Quebec needs independence: Two Minutes HateveritasEtjusticiahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12115380451103317791noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-45329237096941460.post-72535768052084687092017-03-16T18:07:01.747-07:002017-03-16T18:07:01.747-07:00If the intention was to cleanse Quebec of its ling...If the intention was to cleanse Quebec of its linguistic minority as you claim, wouldn't all of these rights and institutions have been taken away? That's exactly what most English Canadian provinces did to francophones at some point in the past, e.g.<br /><br />1871 - New Brunswick: The Common School Act imposes double taxation measures against French Catholic schools. <br />1877 - Prince-Edward-Island: The Public School Act puts an end to the teaching of French in schools. <br />1890 - Ontario: The Liberal government of Oliver Mowat adopted a law stating that English must be the language of education except when children cannot understand it. <br />1890 - Manitoba: Official Language Act banning French, formerly an official language in the province. Premier Greenway diminishes the rights to French school, abolishes its use in the Parliament and in the Courts of the province. <br />1891 - Ontario: The minister of education, George W. Ross, bans all French school books in Ontario. <br />1905 - Alberta: The School Act of that year imposed English as the only language of instruction, while allowing some use of French in primary classes. <br />1909 - Saskatchewan: The School Act makes English the only language of instruction but allowed limited use of French in primary classes. In 1929, a different Saskatchewan law abolished French in public education. <br />1916 - Manitoba: The Thornton Act, by abolishing bilingual schools, completely ends the teaching of French in the province. <br />1912 - Ontario: Circular of Instructions Regulation No. 17 and No. 18 Forbids the teaching of French above the first two grades of elementary school.<br /><br /><i>"Primary and secondary schools are the bedrock of any community and if you take this away, you destroy a vital part of said community."</i>... And that is exactly what English Canadians did to their francophone minority, but Quebec has never done that to its anglophone "minority." No one took your schools away. it's only newcomers to Quebec that are required send their kids to French primary and secondary schools, and for good reasons.<br /><br />But despite this requirement, French is still losing ground to English in Quebec. According to Statistics Canada, the number of people with French as a language of use at home throughout Quebec will experience a significant drop from 82% in 2011 to about 75% in 2036. On the other hand, the proportion of Anglophones by language of use will increase from 10.7% to 13%. But that's still not enough for you I guess. You're still intent on playing the victim of some great injustice with every minor inconvenience becoming an unbearable oppression.veritasEtjusticiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12115380451103317791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-45329237096941460.post-11070562997428378802017-03-16T18:06:24.883-07:002017-03-16T18:06:24.883-07:00"the purpose of Bill 101 is to cleanse Quebec...<i>"the purpose of Bill 101 is to cleanse Quebec of its linguistic minority"</i>... That is absolute paranoid lunacy!<br /><br />The anglophone community in Quebec has had its own social institutions - hospitals, school boards, colleges and universities, etc, and it manages and improves them as it sees fit. They offer Quebec's English-speaking population a full range of services in English. The Charter of the French language did not question either the continuity of these institutions or the principle of the freedom to provide services in the client's language. What changed was the provision that no Quebecer would be wronged by the lack of service in French.<br /><br />In addition to the publicly funded English schools system, which includes three English-only universities that get almost a third of all government financing for higher education. There are roughly 15 hospitals in Quebec where you are guaranteed service in English. Most government services are available in English on demand. All laws passed in Quebec are written in French and English. You have the right to use English in the National Assembly. In fact, anglophones in Quebec have the right to demand that all of their court proceedings be in English. Therefore a judge in Quebec must be able to render verdicts and pass sentence in English. <br /><br />We just need to compare to see the stark differences. In the Greater Sudbury region of Ontario where francophones make up 28% of the population there is only one partially bilingual hospital where, in the words of Denis Constantineau, director of the Sudbury Community Health Center, you can be admitted to the hospital in French, but you will likely die in English because the more you progress in the system, fewer French services are offered.<br /><br />A study conducted by the Federation of Francophone and Acadian Communities of Canada concluded that: <i>…access to health care services in French for Franco-Ontarians is severely lacking in hospital services, community health centers, medical clinics, and home care: these four sectors cover most health care services available in Ontario. Hospital emergency services are often the key entry point to the health care system, yet three quarters of Franco-Ontarians are denied such access in their language. 74% of Franco-Ontarians said they have either no access at all or rarely access to hospital services in French. In fact, only 12% claimed that they could access hospital services in French at all times."</i><br /><br />Or as we recently saw in the Caron case, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that Alberta had no constitutional obligation to translate its laws into French. So Quebec anglophones have rights that francophones in most of English Canada do not have.veritasEtjusticiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12115380451103317791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-45329237096941460.post-71059167275238816372017-03-16T13:01:37.420-07:002017-03-16T13:01:37.420-07:00There is nothing wrong with Quebecers wanting to m...There is nothing wrong with Quebecers wanting to make sure that French remain the dominant language. However, the purpose of Bill 101 is to cleanse Quebec of its linguistic minority, and this is how it strives to make French dominant. For example, the law makes no distinction between immigrants who come from English or French speaking countries. It is spiteful that children from English speaking countries cannot attend an English public primary or secondary school. Allowing these children into the English public system would give it some oxygen, while it would do absolutely nothing to the French school boards. <br /><br />Primary and secondary schools are the bedrock of any community and if you take this away, you destroy a vital part of said community. Just because many people go to Mgill, Concordia etc...doesn't mean anything--it doesn't make them angliphones. This just means that there a lot of people in Quebec who are fluent in English. Quebec's language laws treat the English speaking minority in the same matter as the many immigrant languages spoken in the province. And the only reason these English language institutions exist in the first place is because they were built by the anglo community itself, not the Quebec government<br /><br />Ontario itself has more French schools than Quebec has English ones. Ontario has 445 French schools, 1 French university and 4 bilingual ones, 2 French colleges. And Ontario's French population is about 4%. So yeah, Quebec does have a thing of two to learn from English Canada. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18385812215937047193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-45329237096941460.post-20813205559873225912017-03-12T08:51:35.119-07:002017-03-12T08:51:35.119-07:00Do you understand the difference between suppressi...Do you understand the difference between suppressing a minority language and limiting the dominance of a majority language? English, not French, is the dominant language in this part of the world. So given that French is a minority language and given the high power of attraction of English in North America, it is essential to ensure that newcomers to Quebec acquire mastery over French. This is done by requiring the children of immigrants to send their kids to French primary and secondary schools. <br /><br />This makes them proficient in French but it does not necessarily make them francophones and a lot of these kids end up in English CEGEPs and universities. Just look at Sugar Sammy, for example. He went to French primary and secondary school and then went to Marianopolis College and later McGill. He speaks French very well but I think he probably sees himself more as an anglophone. According to the latest statistics that I've seen, roughly a third of immigrants to Quebec end up assimilating to English. So I really don't think that the anglophone community in Quebec is heading towards extinction.<br /><br />The English school system may lose out in primary and secondary education but they make up for it in higher education. Enrolment in English CEGEPs and universities in Quebec goes well beyond the traditional anglophone community and a third of government funding for higher education in Quebec goes to anglophone institutions.<br /><br />As for the treatment of the Anglo "minority" in Quebec, if any other Canadian province or American state wanted to offer its linguistic minorities access to the kind of education network Quebec finances for its anglophone minority, every single one of them would have to increase dramatically the number of minority schools and the amount of money spent on them.<br /><br />Although all Canadian provinces have some minority education rights and schools, no other provincial minority has the vast network of schools, colleges and universities that English-speakers in Quebec have access to. There are in Quebec about 367 English public schools, 4 English public colleges or CEGEPs and 3 English universities. We certainly don't need any <a href="http://whyquebecneedsindependence.blogspot.ca/2015/12/how-west-was-won.html" rel="nofollow">lessons</a> from English Canada on this topicveritasEtjusticiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12115380451103317791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-45329237096941460.post-18308356683953501852017-03-11T23:11:21.705-08:002017-03-11T23:11:21.705-08:00The problem is that the language laws are not mean...The problem is that the language laws are not meant to just protect the French language but they're also meant to completely wipe out as much English as possible. Anyone with a brain can see that Bill 101 provisions that prevent children from attending English public schools is the major cause behind their closure. <br /><br />An independent Quebec will be put under further scrutiny with regards to its treatment of minorities in general because it will no longer be shielded by belonging to the Canadian federation. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18385812215937047193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-45329237096941460.post-43928084789206313922017-02-05T10:51:22.747-08:002017-02-05T10:51:22.747-08:00Read it. Typical. We see ourselves "as beleag...Read it. Typical. We see ourselves "as beleaguered and have trouble accepting that".Damn right! We should rollover and quit, willingly commit slow suicide as a society? Look forward to becoming "a big New-Brunswick" as once said Jean Chretien? I for one will not. Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10309973225217492439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-45329237096941460.post-77239461889171383662017-02-05T09:35:20.035-08:002017-02-05T09:35:20.035-08:00Bravo et merci !Bravo et merci !Réjean Drouinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11133317627912514047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-45329237096941460.post-85365346403891210492017-02-05T06:01:54.839-08:002017-02-05T06:01:54.839-08:00Thanks for catching that one, Prof. It has been co...Thanks for catching that one, Prof. It has been corrected. I'll be sure to check your blog post, as well.veritasEtjusticiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12115380451103317791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-45329237096941460.post-12868755754692535252017-02-05T03:50:48.735-08:002017-02-05T03:50:48.735-08:00By the way, I don't want to be an picky annoyi...By the way, I don't want to be an picky annoying grammar nazi, but when you write " William Lyon Mackenzie King, was a raging anti-Semitism", it should be "anti-Semite".Prof Solitairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05940261980253349400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-45329237096941460.post-12286797315409232782017-02-05T03:46:06.922-08:002017-02-05T03:46:06.922-08:00Love it, well done. Thank you! I just finished wri...Love it, well done. Thank you! I just finished writing something on the same subject, if you're curious:<br />https://profsolitaire.blogspot.ca/2017/02/le-quebec-est-islamophobe-antisemite-et.html<br />Prof Solitairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05940261980253349400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-45329237096941460.post-21376543349704685872017-02-05T01:50:47.565-08:002017-02-05T01:50:47.565-08:00Had you seen this abomination? The sheer contempt ...Had you seen <a href="https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2017/02/01/quebec-must-face-up-to-hatred-in-its-midst-editorial.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> abomination? The sheer contempt for <em>specifically</em> French-speaking Quebecers is breathtaking—and it's not even from a single author, it's from the entire Editorial Board.Charles Lanteignehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05657969821527968697noreply@blogger.com